Next Up: Narcissism

Episode 55: On Love and Relationships with Jillian Tureck

Most people don’t realize how much of their relationship pain comes from patterns they never chose and beliefs they never questioned, and I’ve seen it over and over again.
 
In this episode, I’m joined by someone I’ve admired for a long time, relationship expert and author Jillian Turecki. Her new book, “It Begins With You: The Nine Hard Truths About Love That Will Change Your Life,” is the kind of work that doesn’t just offer advice. It asks you to look inward. We talk about the ways we lose ourselves in relationships, the lies we tell ourselves to keep people close, and what it really means to grow after heartbreak. What does healthy love even look like? How do we know when we’re giving too much? Why do so many of us feel like we have to convince someone to stay?
 
Jillian shares so much of her insight and experience in this conversation: why deal breakers matter, how our family stories shape our love lives, and what it actually means to make peace with the past. One of the most powerful takeaways for me was her perspective on forgiveness, and how letting go doesn’t always mean condoning someone’s behavior. Sometimes it just means refusing to carry the story anymore.
 
If you’ve ever felt stuck, questioned your worth in a relationship, or wondered why you keep ending up in the same kind of dynamic, this one’s for you. I hope it leaves you feeling seen… and more importantly, ready to take your power back.
 
Episode Breakdown:
00:00 Jillian Turecki and Her Work
03:14 The Importance of Self-Reflection in Relationships
06:00 Defining Healthy Love
08:49 Understanding Deal Breakers in Relationships
11:57 The Complexity of Relationship Dynamics
15:08 The Myth of Fairy Tale Love
18:01 The Challenge of Convincing Someone to Love You
20:59 Processing Breakups and Moving Forward
24:00 Making Peace with Your Parents
36:49 Final Thoughts and Words of Wisdom
 
Links
Connect with Jillian Turecki:
https://www.jillianturecki.com/book
https://www.instagram.com/jillianturecki/?hl=en
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/jillian-on-love/id1640172049
 
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Episode 54: Toxic with Elizabeth Chambers

Toxic relationships don’t usually start with obvious red flags. More often, they start with connection, someone who seems to really see you, who shows up in big ways, who makes you feel chosen. But over time, that connection can shift into something confusing, isolating, and hard to recognize for what it is.
 
I talk with Elizabeth Chambers, Host, Investigative Journalist and Executive Producer of the docuseries “Toxic,” about the psychological patterns behind abusive relationships - how they take shape, why they’re so easy to miss, and what keeps people from leaving. Elizabeth shares the stories of survivors she interviewed, many of whom came from loving, stable homes and never expected to end up in something harmful.
 
We also get into how culture plays a role. The fairytales we grow up with, the rom-com tropes, the magazines that taught us how to “get the guy” - they all send messages that can make it easier for abusers to gain trust and control. And when someone starts tailoring themselves to your vulnerabilities, mirroring your interests, slowly taking over the parts of your life that matter most, it rarely looks like abuse in the moment.
 
I talk through the tools I see used again and again in narcissistic relationships - love bombing, gaslighting, financial control - and how easy it is for good, smart people to get caught in them. And we explore what real support looks like when someone you care about is stuck in a relationship that’s hurting them.
 
This episode is a reminder to pay attention. To stay curious. To talk about the things we’re taught to keep private. Because awareness is the first step, and no one should have to figure it out alone.
 
Episode Breakdown:
00:00 Introduction to Narcissism and Healing
02:52 The Impact of Toxic Relationships
05:53 Recognizing Generational and Cultural Patterns
11:57 Why It’s So Hard to Leave
18:09 Love Bombing and Emotional Control
24:06 Red Flags and Manipulation Tactics
30:06 The Psychology Behind Abuse
34:25 Power, Intimacy, and Control
41:07 Communication and Relationship Imbalances
49:49 How Friends and Family Can Help
51:32 Breaking the Cycle for Future Generations
 
Links
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https://www.instagram.com/elizabethchambers/
 
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Episode 53: Couples Therapy with a Narcissist? Think Twice

Couples therapy isn’t always a safe space, especially when a narcissist is in the room.
 
I get asked about this constantly: “Should we try couples therapy?” If your partner has narcissistic traits or narcissistic personality disorder, my answer is no. In this episode, I explain why.
 
Too often, therapy turns into a performance, another platform for the narcissist to manipulate, charm the therapist, and flip the narrative. Instead of feeling supported, the person being harmed walks out feeling blamed, invalidated, and more confused than ever.
 
The truth is, most therapists aren’t trained to recognize the subtle patterns of narcissistic abuse. They might know the diagnosis from a textbook, but they miss the gaslighting, coercive control, and emotional manipulation happening right in front of them. I’ve seen how that leads to real harm.
 
If you’ve been to couples therapy and felt like something was off, or worse, felt like the problem, you’re not imagining it. You’re not overreacting. And you’re not alone.
 
In this episode, I break down why I never recommend couples therapy in these situations, and why individual support is not just more effective, but also safer.
 
Episode Breakdown:
00:00 Introduction 
01:16 Why Couples Therapy Fails with a Narcissist
03:38 Therapists Often Miss the Signs of Narcissistic Abuse
08:16 How Narcissists Use Therapy as a Stage
10:48 Their Real Agenda Isn’t Healing
12:08 Toxic Behavior vs. Narcissistic Abuse
18:06 Why Speaking the Truth in Therapy Can Be Dangerous
21:08 When Therapy Advice Causes More Harm
24:55 Is There Any Benefit to Couples Therapy?
29:55 Why Individual Therapy Is the Safer Choice
33:00 Dr. Z’s Advice and How to Get Help
 
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Episode 52: Narcissists and Infidelity

When a narcissist cheats, the affair often has little to do with love or connection. It’s about power.
 
In this episode, I sit down with psychotherapist Lauren LaRusso, LPC, LMHC, to unpack why narcissists have affairs and how their motivations are different from what most people expect. Why do they always seem to have someone waiting in the wings? Why is there so little remorse when they’re caught? And why does the person who’s been betrayed so often end up feeling like the one to blame?
 
Lauren and I talk about how narcissists use affairs to stay in control and protect their image. These betrayals aren’t usually about emotional disconnection. They’re about manipulation, dominance, and supply. We also get into what it’s like for the person on the receiving end: the self-doubt, the confusion, the isolation. And we talk honestly about why leaving is so complicated. Sometimes there are kids involved. Sometimes it’s about safety. Sometimes it’s about survival.
 
If you’ve been through this, or you’re still in it, I hope this conversation brings you clarity. You’re not imagining it. You’re not overreacting. And most importantly, you’re not alone.
 
Episode Breakdown:
00:00 Why Narcissists Cheat
03:25 What Counts as an Affair
04:52 Gender Differences in Infidelity
12:06 Can an Affair Stabilize a Marriage?
16:47 Why People Don’t Just Leave
23:24 Affairs in Narcissistic Relationships
27:38 The “Perfect” Narcissist and Secret Lives
30:10 Lack of Accountability
33:07 How Narcissistic Abuse Shows Up in Therapy
38:01 The Danger of Blaming the Betrayed Partner
40:07 Affairs as a Survival Strategy
42:03 Healing After Narcissistic Relationships
 
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website: www.theaffairconsultant.com
Instagram @LaurenLaRusso
 
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Episode 51:Transparency in Family Court and Parental Alienation with Dr. Charlotte Proudman

Family courts were designed to protect families. So why do so many survivors find themselves trapped by the very system that was supposed to protect them?
 
In this episode, I’m joined by Dr. Charlotte Proudman, a family law barrister and founder of Right to Equality. Charlotte has spent her career challenging the failures of the family court system, especially when it comes to cases involving domestic abuse, sexual coercion, coercive control, and parental alienation. We talk openly about the real impact these failures have on women and children, and why change is so urgently needed.
 
Why is coercive control still overlooked in custody cases? How did parental alienation turn into a legal weapon used by abusive parents? Charlotte shares powerful stories from her new book, “He Said, She Said,” and explains how family courts continue to mishandle allegations of sexual abuse and emotional violence.
 
This conversation pulls back the curtain on a system that too often silences the very people it should protect. Charlotte and I talk about what needs to happen for family courts to finally center the voices of survivors, and how we can push for the trauma-informed change that families deserve.
 
Episode Breakdown:
00:00 Introduction
02:22 Family Courts and Gender Equality
03:44 Systemic Failures in Addressing Domestic Abuse
08:07 Sexual Coercion and Coercive Control
16:07 Parental Alienation as a Legal Strategy
34:07 Mishandling of Child Sexual Abuse Allegations
40:04 Purpose of “He Said, She Said”
 
Links
Connect with Dr. Charlotte Proudman:
@drproudman on Instagram, X, and TikTok; https://www.charlotteproudman.com/team-4-1 
(upcoming events for He Said She Said); https://www.amazon.co.uk/He-Said-She-Struggle-Justice/dp/1399612441Pre-order “He Said, She Said: Truth, Trauma and the Struggle for Justice in Family Court”
 
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Episode 50: Traveling with a Narcissist

You think a vacation will give you a break, but with a narcissist, it often becomes something else entirely.
 
In this episode, I’m talking about what it’s really like to travel with a narcissist. I’ve seen it over and over again, what should be a time to relax turns into a carefully orchestrated setup for control, intimidation, and emotional exhaustion. If you’ve ever come home from a trip feeling more anxious, confused, or even physically sick, you’re not imagining it.
 
I walk through the subtle ways narcissistic abuse shows up while traveling like taking you somewhere they know you’ll hate, “forgetting” something important, or isolating you from your support system. These things might seem small on their own, but together, they create an environment that’s anything but safe.
 
I also share strategies you can use if you feel stuck saying yes to the trip. What can you do to feel more in control? How do you protect your energy when you’re trapped on a flight, stuck in a car, or stranded in a hotel? And most importantly, how do you start seeing the pattern for what it is?
 
If vacations have ever felt more like punishment than peace, this episode will help you understand why and give you a few tools to take with you, no matter where you go.
 
Episode Breakdown:
00:00 Why Travel with a Narcissist Feels So Different
03:04 Narcissistic Tactics and Control During Vacations
08:02 Real Examples of Manipulation on Trips
16:27 How Abuse Shows Up at the Airport and in Transit
22:01 On-Vacation Behavior: Control, Coercion, and Isolation
28:02 The Aftermath: Post-Trip Anxiety and Physical Illness
32:32 Long-Term Impact on How You Experience Travel
35:46 Strategies to Protect Yourself While Traveling
42:07 Grounding Techniques and Internal Boundaries
 
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Episode 49: Thriving and Finding Purpose After Divorce with Zibby Owens

Starting over doesn’t always feel bold. Most of the time, it looks like picking up something familiar, like a book, a journal, or a forgotten dream, and doing it simply to feel like yourself again.
 
In this episode, I’m joined by Zibby Owens, an author, podcast host, and the founder of Zibby Media, who shares what it looked like to rebuild her life after divorce. At 40, with four young kids and weekends suddenly quiet, she didn’t launch into some grand reinvention. She started writing again. And then she kept going.
 
We talk about what happens when the life you’ve built no longer fits and how to begin again when everything feels uncertain. Zibby opens up about grief, rejection, single parenthood, and the slow return to her own identity. She shares how structure helped her move forward, how creativity gave her something to hold onto, and how including her kids in her work helped her feel more connected as both a parent and a person.
 
If you’re in a season of starting over, or even thinking about it, I think you’ll find this conversation both grounding and encouraging. Zibby’s story is a reminder that you don’t need to have it all figured out to begin. You just need one small step in the direction of who you are.
 
Episode Breakdown:
00:00 Introduction
04:05 Restarting Life After Divorce at 40
07:04 How Zibby Built a Media Career from Scratch
08:10 Living with Urgency and Purpose
12:08 Coping with Co-Parenting Grief
15:09 The Power of Small, Consistent Steps
17:04 Structure, Routine, and Mental Health
18:08 Reclaiming Identity After Motherhood
19:04 Involving Kids in Career and Purpose
23:35 Advice for Women Facing Divorce
 
Links
Connect with Zibby Owens:
https://www.instagram.com/zibbyowens/
zibbymedia.com
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/totally-booked-with-zibby/id1366633318
 
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Episode 48: The Car: The Narcissist’s Tool for Abuse

A car ride with a narcissist can quickly shift from routine to one of the most dangerous and controlling dynamics in the relationship.
 
In this episode, I’m talking about something I see all the time in my work: how narcissists use driving as a form of coercive control. The car becomes more than just a way to get from one place to another. It becomes a tool for power, manipulation, and fear. If you’ve ever felt anxious, unsafe, or completely stuck during what should be a simple drive, you’re not imagining it.
 
I share the patterns I hear from clients again and again: partners making them late on purpose, driving recklessly, refusing to hand over the keys, or locking the doors to prevent them from getting out. These aren’t accidents. These are tactics.
 
I also walk through real strategies you can use if you’re in this kind of situation. Things like not revealing how important an event is, finding alternate transportation when possible, and staying emotionally neutral when you’re being baited. They’re small steps, but they can help you take back a sense of control when everything else feels chaotic.
 
If any of this sounds familiar, I hope this episode helps you name it, and start finding ways to protect your time, your energy, and your autonomy.
 
Episode Breakdown:
00:00 Introduction 
02:32 Significance of Driving in Narcissistic Abuse
04:00 Control and Independence in Driving
06:08 Ownership and Control of the Car
10:23 Reckless Driving to Instill Fear
12:22 Creating Fear and Providing Safety
15:06 Verbal and Physical Abuse in the Car
19:55 Limiting Access to a Car
21:21 Identifying Patterns of Abuse
22:53 Strategies to Regain Control
25:56 Concrete Behaviors to Counter Manipulation
 
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Episode 47: Toxic Parents with Josh Connolly

Many people raised by toxic parents or caregivers don’t always recognize the abuse present in their upbringing. It’s often not until their adult relationships begin to break apart that they become aware of the abusive behavior patterns repeating from their childhood. 
 
In this episode, I’m joined by mental health advocate and best-selling author Josh Connolly for a powerful and honest conversation about what toxic parenting really looks like and its lasting impact. We talk about parents’ refusal to take accountability, how dysfunction gets passed off as the family “norm,” and why adult children carry guilt and shame about something they were once powerless to change. 
 
Josh discusses his use of  the word “toxic,” and how emotional abuse often flies under the radar. Josh also explains his “body first” approach to recovery, including how reconnecting with your body—and using tools like breathwork—can help regulate your nervous system and make space for emotional clarity.
 
We tackle the popular notion of having to forgive in order to move forward, offering our explanation as to why this is not always the case, and discuss the difference between forgiveness and acceptance .
 
If you’ve experienced an upbringing within the context of toxic parenting, and as a result, have difficulty trusting your own internal experiences, or feel guilty for setting boundaries, you’ll find this episode incredibly validating.
 
Episode Breakdown:
00:00 Introduction 
03:06 Breathwork and Nervous System Regulation
05:23 Understanding Empathy and Boundaries
07:55 Defining Toxic Parents
09:00 Emotional Abuse and Power Dynamics
12:00 Misdiagnosis and Appropriate Reactions
17:10 Appropriate Reactions to Dysfunctional Environments
19:27 The Issue of Forgiveness
24:01 The Dangers of Pushing Forgiveness
27:06 Realizing the Truth About Toxic Upbringings
32:05 The Importance of Being Held and Supported
35:13 Josh Connolly’s Book: Purpose and Content
42:06 The Importance of Truth and Authenticity
 
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https://www.instagram.com/josh_ffw/
https://www.facebook.com/joshffw
https://www.tiktok.com/@josh_ffw
https://twitter.com/josh_ffw
https://www.youtube.com/c/JoshConnolly_FFW
 
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Episode 46: The Scamanda Docuseries with Creator Charlie Webster

Some betrayals do more than take money. They shatter trust in ways that can never fully be repaired. I sat down with Charlie Webster, the host, producer and writer of the top international podcast, Scamanda, to break down the shocking deception behind the story and the emotional damage it left behind.
 
Amanda Riley didn’t just lie about having cancer. She built an entire identity around it. She shaved her head, posted hospital photos, and wrote heartfelt blog updates, all while collecting over $100,000 in donations. But what makes someone go to such extremes? And how does that kind of deception affect the people who believed in her?
 
Charlie shared what it was like to uncover Amanda’s story, exposing how someone so seemingly normal managed to fool so many for so long. We explored the psychology behind these kinds of lies—why people are drawn to them, how victims struggle to process the betrayal, and what Amanda’s case reveals about manipulation, trust, and the stories we tell ourselves.
 
We also talked about Amanda’s husband, Corey. Did he know? Should he have? And what does this entire saga say about the way we judge people based on the image they present?
 
If you’ve ever felt deceived, questioned your instincts, or wondered how far someone would go for validation, this episode will make you think twice about what we choose to believe and why.
 
Episode Breakdown:
00:00 Introduction 
05:01 The Complexity of Human Behavior in Scamanda
07:11 The Intrigue of Amanda Riley’s Story
10:47 The Emotional Impact on Victims
15:01 The Relatability and Extremity of Amanda’s Actions
18:01 The Nuances of Amanda’s Deception
23:32 Amanda Riley’s Identity and Motivation
30:43 The Function of Dysfunctional Behaviors
36:03 The Reality of Amanda’s Actions and Empathy
38:31 The Importance of Public Awareness
41:07 Why Amanda Agreed to Speak with Charlie
 
Links
Watch Scamanda Hulu https://www.hulu.com/series/f4ec2a4c-e234-4658-8728-1d17d1725b89
Watch Scamanda on ABC https://abc.com/show/1056ec91-9c44-4671-ae98-3c9feb3f35b3
Listen to Scamanda podcast wherever you get your podcasts https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/scamanda/id1685691481
 
Connect with Charlie Webster:
Instagram @charliewebster
Website www.charliewebster.com
Why It’s OK to Talk About Trauma book https://amzn.to/41F5OUy
 
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